Abstract: This invention is a bracelet designed to accommodate a metallic golf ball marker held in place by a magnet. The marker is a key part of a golf game utilized by players to mark the position of their ball on the green. By incorporating a magnet in an attractive colorful bracelet the golfer can have ready access to an easily removable and replaceable marker.

Abstract: A golf tool kit comprises a casing having a through hole, a reel fixed in the casing, a divot repair tool detachably attached to the casing, a ball marker magnetically attached to the divot tool, a belt clip rotatably attached to the casing opposing the divot repair tool, a flexible material retractably extending via the through hole from the reel, a holder having a hole, a first towel extending from the holder, and a second towel extending from the holder.

Abstract: Rewindable golf tee. This includes a small rewinding device encased in a smooth edged multifarious holder with dampened press control element or pull to stop, pull to rewind system to safely rewind a golf tee via a strong flexible quality link. The aid can have two tees of varied lengths to suit golf club selection, two rewinding devices and two flexible connections. It can be cheap or expensive. The invention can support other golf gadgets such as pitch-mark repairer, ball marker, groove cleaner and/or score keeper. The invention can hold personal ID or corporate logo or advertisement. The invention is environmentally friendly. The tees can be made of more durable materials, with new special integrated finishes such as soft grip patterns. They can be easily replaced via connecting links. The rewindable tee device will sensibly save time on the tee box and avoid clutter in bags, pockets and/or greens.

Abstract: A device for storing golfing accessories includes a semi-rigid, planar housing having a passageway formed therein for suspending the housing from a golfer's belt. Cleaning cloths, golf tee holders, a pencil holder, a timepiece, a divot-repair tool and a stroke counter are positioned on the front surface of the housing. The top end of the housing is adapted to slidably receive a scorecard while the lower end includes a golf ball storage receptacle.

Abstract: A scoreboard structure for golf carts includes a base disposed at the middle of a handlebar of a golf cart and having a chamber; and a scoreboard pivotally mounted onto the base and having a latch member and an elastic clamp disposed on an external side of the scoreboard. A writing board is installed on an internal side of the scoreboard. An upper end of the writing board is coupled to the scoreboard, and a lower end of the writing board has a latch member and an elastic plate. The latch member is provided for latching a magnet disposed on the internal side of the scoreboard, and the elastic plate is provided for pressing a piece of paper and writing a score on the paper.

Abstract: A pocket is formed to be carried at a waist of a player playing either golf or tennis. The pocket has a backing and a front made of a fabric that is flexible and stretchable to thereby hold at least three balls under tension while located in the pocket. The pocket is held in a horizontal direction on the waistline of a wearer. The pocket may be attached to a belt surrounding the wearer or instead of a belt may be held in place by way of straps that are mounted on a back side of the pocket and may be passed through slits at the waistline of a pair of pants and held under tension by way of double D-rings.

Abstract: Systems and methods for interchangeable attachment of golf accessories to a golf bag are described. Inventive systems and methods allow for easy access to selected golf accessories and their placement in a convenient and modifiable arrangement on a golf bag. An inventive system includes a plurality of pre-sized hook-and-loop fasteners, each individual pre-sized hook-and-loop fastener having a hook portion and a loop portion. At least two golf accessory storage elements are also included. Each storage element has an attachment surface for attachment of the hook portion or the loop portion of the individual pre-sized hook-and-loop fastener so that each storage element can be reversibly and interchangeably attached to a complementary fastener on a golf bag.

Abstract: A golf bag includes a bag body, a stand mounted on a side of the bag body, a plurality of tees mounted on an upper portion of the stand, and a plurality of sleeves each mounted on the mounting seat of the stand to support a respective one of the tees. Thus, each of the tees is clamped by the clamping pieces of each of the sleeves so that each of the tees is supported on the mounting seat of the stand rigidly and stably, thereby preventing the tees from being detached from the bag body.

Abstract: A marking template used to mark or etch golf tees at selected distances from the ends of the golf tee, and a process for marking golf tees. The template comprises a body having a receptacle into which a golf tee is placed. The golf tee is then marked at distances selected according to the markings on the body.

Abstract: The golf tee holder is in the form of a generally flat corrugated plastic body of a selected shape having a longitudinal axis. The corrugation being in the form of walls between the front panel and back panel of the plastic body that extend in a direction traverse the longitudinal axis of the plastic body and form channels between the panels opening along both side edges of the body. Each channel is sized to resiliently retain the shaft of a conventional golf tee during the jostling encountered during a round of golf. An eyelet is provided adjacent one end of the body for receiving a hook or ring for attaching the body to a golfers belt, a golf bag, of any other suitable golf equipment such as a golf cart key for example. A clipboard-type clamp is provided for securing a golf scorecard and a marking device to the holder.

Abstract: A headwear piece has a crown defining an opening to receive the head of a wearer. The crown has (a) an inside surface having at least a portion for engaging a wearer's head to maintain the headwear piece operatively situated on a wearers head and (b) an exposed external surface. The crown has first and second openings through the external surface of the crown and spaced from each other so that an elongate object can be directed through both of the first and second openings and frictionally maintained in a stored position on the crown with the headwear piece operatively situated on a wearer's head.

Abstract: The present invention is a device which is simple in its construction, uses common golf tees, and allows a golfer to carry it easily in his or her pocket. The device comprises a hollow body portion; and and at least one slot to receive a transverse member to accurately and consistently set the position of a golf tee. The body comprises a plurality of vertically spaced slots to receive the transverse member and may include a place for storing tees, and for counting strokes.

Abstract: A golf accessory caddy that includes a pouch that is configured to receive therein a divot tool so that prongs of the divot tool extend outward from the bottom of the pouch, thereby enabling use of the divot tool without removing the divot tool from the pouch. The divot tool can be removably or non-removably secured in the pouch. An inner compartment of the pouch is configured to receive and store therein a golf ball marker, which can be accessed by manipulating a closure provided in the pouch.

Abstract: An apparatus for attachment to a golf shoe that includes a golf ball marker receiver element and an opening that allows the shoe lace to pass through for attaching the apparatus to the shoe. A golf shoe that has such an apparatus is also disclosed.

Abstract: A method of using a golf cleaning device includes providing a golf cleaning device comprising a cleaning portion made of an absorbent cleaning material, and a fastening portion connected to the cleaning portion; providing a horizontally extending support adjacent a golfer's waist; connecting the fastening portion of the golf cleaning device to the horizontally extending support adjacent a golfer's waist so that the cleaning portion hangs down from a golfer's waist area partway along a leg of the golfer; and cleaning a golf-related item with the cleaning portion of the golf cleaning device.

Abstract: A belt-mounted golf accessory holder for carrying golf items such as golf balls, tees, and ball markers on one's person. The belt-mounted golf accessory holder includes a container having back, side, bottom, and front walls, and also having a storage compartment disposed therein; and also includes a flexible flap being hingedly attached to the container and being fastenably closable over an open top of the container; and further includes an assembly of fastening the flap to the container; and also includes belt loop members being securely attached to the container for carrying the container upon a user's belt; and further includes a towel support member being connected to the container for supporting a golf towel.

Abstract: A golf accessories organizing bag includes a first bag and a second bag. The first bag has a connection member connected to a rear side of the first bag so as to be connected to the second bag. The second bag has a hook on a top thereof and a zipper connects two sides of an open side of the second bag. A loop is connected to a front side of the second bag so that the connection member of the first bag is engaged with the loop. A plurality of organizing members are connected to a rear side of the second bag.

Abstract: The present invention pertains to a carrier device for transporting a golfer's accessory items during play. The device includes a carrier member attached to a glove attachment surface that is configured to engage a portion of a golf glove such that the golf glove can be stored on the carrier member when not being used by the golfer. In accordance with other embodiments, the carrier member is configured to secure one or more golf balls therein. In accordance with other embodiments, various device holders are attached to the carrier member.

Abstract: A holder and dispenser for golf ball markers includes a body which may be clipped onto a user's belt, waistband, golf bag, or other article. The body has one or more pockets defined therein, with the pockets being configured to snugly and removably receive disc-shaped (or other) golf ball markers. The user may withdraw golf ball markers from the holder for use when needed, and may replace them when the markers are no longer used.

Abstract: A compact golf accessory organizer with a multi-mounting, universal functioning clip, which can attach to several different items. The common items for attachment include a golfer's golf bag, golf cart visor, clothing waistband, belt, pockets, and the like. The compact organizer contains a vac-form with impressions that mold around the included articles. This is specifically designed to only hold the following articles: four tees, two ball markers, and a universal tool which consists of a divot repair, a spike tightening device, a club cleaner and cigar holder. These items are included in the golf accessory organizer. The compact size of the organizer allows it to be stored in a golfer's shirt or pant pocket, or the user can attach it to their waistband without obstructing the golfers swing. This organizer will free up the golfers pockets and conveniently organize the common items used during the game of golf.

Abstract: A clip holder for supporting sports accessories such as gloves, and towels, for being attached to pockets and belts, for different types of sports such as but not limited to racquetball, handball, baseball, bowling, bicycling, football, and the like. The clip holder is compact with two plate like portions substantially parallel and adjacent to one another, with interior facing ridge and groove for allowing the clip holder to grip about pocket edges, belts and straps. The clip holder plates can have concave lower edges which face away from one another. A removable golf tool such as a tack shaped ball marker can attach to an exterior side of one of the plates. A built on tool such as a fork shaped divot repair tool can be fixably attached to or be part of one of the edges of the first and the second plates, and can be used with or without the removable golf tool.

Abstract: A golfing accessory including a ball retainer, a tee holder associated with the ball retainer, a ball marker holder associated with the ball retainer and an attachment device associated with the ball retainer. The attachment device is configured for releasable attachment to a belt, pocket or waist band of a golfer or other object associated with the game of golf.

Abstract: Disclosed is a golf tee structure that is easy to use and move and prevents the loss and damage of the tee, thereby providing convenience in use and economical efficiency to a user. The golf tee structure of the present invention includes a hooker formed on the one side of a body, for carrying the golf tee structure, a plurality of tee-inserting holes formed on the other side of the body, into which three tees having different length from each other are inserted and fitted, and a coupling string connecting the body and each tee, for preventing each tee from being deviated from the body. Preferably, each tee includes a body made of a malleably synthetic resin and a metal pin on the lower portion thereof, as an integral body therewith, such that since the metal pin is driven into the ground when in use, the tee is not broken or lost. Further, the hooker formed on the body of the golf tee structure is adapted to be hooked on the loop for pants belt of a player.

Abstract: A golf ball marking guide has opposing first and second body portions. Each body portion has opposing front and back ends and opposing top and bottom edges. The body portions also have a drawing slot positioned between the opposing top and bottom edges and extending at least partially between the front and back ends. The body portions also have generally spherical concave inner surfaces. A tab extends from the front of the first body portion in a direction generally away from the body portion back. Another tab extends from the front of the second body portion in a direction generally away from the body portion back. A connector is provided at the back of the first body portion. A cooperating connector is also provided at the back of the second body portion. The two connectors are coupled, one with the other, whereby the two body portions are aligned with each other, their inner surfaces face each other and define a spherical frustum, and the two tabs are aligned with each other.

Abstract: The invention is directed to a ball container and dispensing unit which is constructed of a cylindrical unit. A multiple of balls stacked upon at each other are contained in the unit. The bottom of the unit is closed while the top has a flexible cap. in operation, a ball one at a time may be removed or extracted from under the flexible cap. A coil spring is disposed between the bottom of the container and a pusher below the stacked balls to apply a tension to the balls to be moved upwardly against the flexible cap until a ball is dispensed from there one ball at a time. The ball container, at an outer surface, has attached thereto a golf tee container having a a multiple of golf tees contained therein which can be extracted from there, one at a time.

Abstract: A holder for golf tees that has a housing with an open interior. The interior has two curved ends and a thin middle section that forms a “dumb bell” shape. A plate that has a matching dumb bell is fitted into the open interior. Two springs are mounted inside of the housing and are attached to the bottom of the housing and to the bottom of the plate. A retainer pin is placed orthogonally across the top opening of the housing. The pin retains the plate in the housing and secures any tees that are installed as well. Tees are placed into the housing by sliding the pointed end under the retainer pin and pushing down on the plate. To dispense a tee, a user pushes down slightly on the pointed end of the top tee, which raises the other end of that it can be pulled from the holder.

Abstract: A golf accessory holder device designed to be held in a compartment of a belt clip and frequently inserted and removed therefrom during the golfer's round of golf, and to prevent damage to or soiling of the pocket or the pocket entry area which frequently occurs when a golfer keeps such accessories in his pocket; said device having smooth top and bottom surfaces and having the capability of firmly holding one or two tees, a ball marker, a green ball mark repair tool, and a towel, one end of said device being so constructed as to be particularly adapted for firmly gripping the towel, but also adapted that the towel can be easily released from the device and also easily re-inserted into same. One embodiment includes a unique combination of the device with the ball mark repair tool. Another embodiment includes a unique combination of the device with the belt clip.

Abstract: A golf ball marker holder is provided that can be placed upon the top surface of a golfer's shoe and attached to the shoe by sliding the shoe lace of the golfer's shoe up a slot, past a retaining structure, and into a receiving area, after which the shoe lace is tightened and the golf ball marker holder is retained in place. The holder is of a unitary structure having two major portions, in which these two portions are pivotally attached to one another to form an upper and lower portion that forms a slot therebetween. This slot is used to receive the shoe lace of a golfer's shoe, and the holder is maneuvered to slide the shoe lace through the slot and into a receiving area. Once the shoe lace reaches that receiving area, the shoe lace will be retained by a corner structure within the slot, which will not allow the shoe lace to easily slide back out of the slot.

Abstract: A headgear designed for releasably securing a golf ball marker by magnetic attraction is provided. The headgear includes a head band, a head strap attached to the head band for adjusting a circumference of the head band, and a buckle through which the head strap extends for securing an adjusted position of the head strap. The buckle is designed to releasably secure a golf ball marker thereto by magnetic attraction.

Abstract: A compact golf accessory organizer with a multi-mounting, universal functioning clip, which can attach to several different items. The common items for attachment include a golfer's golf bag, golf cart visor, clothing waistband, belt, pockets, and the like. The compact organizer contains a vac-form with impressions that mold around the included articles. This is specifically designed to only hold the following articles: four tees, two ball markers, and a universal tool which consists of a divot repair, a spike tightening device, a club cleaner and cigar holder. These items are included in the golf accessory organizer. The compact size of the organizer allows it to be stored in a golfer's shirt or pant pocket, or the user can attach it to their waistband without obstructing the golfers swing. This organizer will free up the golfers pockets and conveniently organize the common items used during the game of golf.

Abstract: A golf ball marker carrier has an elongated element having at least two through bores to accommodate a shoe shoelace so that the carrier can be affixed to a shoe. A golf ball marker is affixed to the elongated element in the form of a snap fastener in which the removable snap of the fastener constitutes the golf ball marker. Included is a method for affixing the golf ball marker carrier to a shoe.

Abstract: A ball marker carrier has rear wall and a patch fixed to the rear wall. A slot between the wall and the patch slidingly receives a head of the ball marker and a slot in the patch allows a spike of the marker to move down the wall as the head of marker is slid into the slot The carrier may have a waist belt attachment, may be mounted to a golf tee carrier or a golf ball pouch, and so forth.

Abstract: A holder for golf balls is disclosed that is clipped to the belt or pants of a golfer. The container has a flared opening at the top and has a constricted opening at the bottom. Golf balls are placed in the top opening. The golf ball holder allows for a ball to be removed from the top opening by inserting a finger through the front opening and pushing the top golf ball out of the top flared opening. Pushing the golf ball from the bottom opening may retrieve the remaining golf ball. The golf ball holder works equally well for a right or left-handed person. Apertures are provided in the top surface of the golf ball holder to accept and securely hold golf tees and a golf ball marker. Finally, an area for advertising company or organizations names or logos is provided on the front of the golf ball holder.

Abstract: A golf accessory holder designed to be held in a golf bag clip frictionally engaged to the top of the golf bag and frequently inserted and removed from said clip during the golfer's round of golf and to prevent damage to or soiling of the pocket or the pocket entry area which frequently occurs when a golfer keeps such accessories in his pocket; said device having smooth top and bottom surfaces and having the capability of firmly holding one or two tees, a ball marker, a green ball mark repair tool, and a towel, one end of said device being so constructed as to be particularly adapted for firmly gripping the towel, but also adapted that the towel can be easily released from the device and also easily re-inserted into same.

Abstract: A bag for holding golf outfits includes a main holding body, an upper covering part, a lateral pocket, a lateral holding part and a connecting part. The upper covering part is connected to a rear portion of the main body for covering an upper opening of same, and is detachably attached to a front portion of the main body from the front part. The main body is provided for holding golf balls. The lateral pocket is sewn on the main body for holding divot restoring tools. The lateral holding part has several rooms for tees thin portions of tees to pass through to be held in position. Magnetic ball position markers are detachably attached to divot restoring tools which are made of iron, and to an iron element on the upper covering part. The connecting part can pass through a space between a waist and a belt of a golf player for securing the bag to the belt.

Abstract: Equipment for holding golf outfits which includes a main body board with a connecting member to attach the main body board to a belt of a golf player. Holding members are attached to a front side of the main body board from two ends to form a vertical receiving hole to permit a tee to pass through the hole and be held in position. An elongated hole is formed through the main body with the elongated hole to receive a divot restoring tool with an upper portion of the divot restoring tool being visible.

Abstract: A golf accessory holder device designed to be held in a compartment of a belt clip and frequently inserted and removed therefrom during the golfer's round of golf, and to prevent damage to or soiling of the pocket or the pocket entry area which frequently occurs when a golfer keeps such accessories in his pocket; said device having smooth top and bottom surfaces and having the capability of firmly holding one or two tees, a ball marker, a green ball mark repair tool, and a towel, one end of said device being so constructed as to be particularly adapted for firmly gripping the towel, but also adapted that the towel can be easily released from the device and also easily re-inserted into same.

Abstract: A combination hat and golf ball marking device is provided. The hat includes a generally round convex-shaped body portion for placing over the a skull of a golfer. A bill member extends from a front side of the body portion and works to shade the face of the golfer. A removable golf ball marker is received and retained by a receptacle located at a crown portion of the hat body portion. The marker has a head member and a post for inserting within the ground of a putting green when a golfer has removed his golf ball therefrom. The post inserts into a bore in the receptacle when the marker is not being used.

Abstract: A combination hat and golf ball marking device is provided. The hat includes a generally round convex-shaped body portion for placing over the a skull of a golfer. A bill member extends from a front side of the body portion and works to shade the face of the golfer. A removable golf ball marker is received and retained by a receptacle located at a crown portion of the hat body portion. The marker has a head member and a post for inserting within the ground of a putting green when a golfer has removed his golf ball therefrom. The post inserts into a bore in the receptacle when the marker is not being used.

Abstract: A flexible marker holder is attached to a golf bag wherein an aperture in the upper region of the bag is gripped by a ring with a snap on hook attached thereto. A flexible member is joined to the hook by an eyelet, The flexible member descends through a diametric hole in a stabilizer, proceeds some distance past the stabilizer and terminates with a coupling adhesively fastened to the flexible member or integral therewith. The top end of a marker snuggly fits within the coupling. The hook, flexible member and coupling are preferably made of plastic. The stabilizer located between near the eyelet and the descending flexible member is designed to be immobilized.

Abstract: A golf ball marker holding device for use by a golfer includes a top surface formed from a ferrous material, and having a low rim formed thereon and a rear surface having a pin secured thereto. A resilient, magnetic disk ball marker is held in a cavity defined by the low rim and the top surface, and is easily removed from the cavity to mark the location of a removed golf ball. The pin is secured in an article of clothing, and a butterfly-like clip is secured to the free end of the pin to hold the device to the article of clothing.

Abstract: A hat clip comprising two hingably secured jaws, a magnet, and a golf ball marker is described. The hat clip may be secured to the inner hat band of a golf cap, hat, or visor and is designed such that a golf ball marker may be magnetically maintained on the outside of the hat while the jaws of the hat clip are hidden from view.

Abstract: A golf glove having a golf tee retaining pouch and a covering flap. The pouch is located on the back portion of the glove, i.e., the side opposite the palm, so as not to interfere with the engagement of the golfer's hand with the golf club. To insure that the tees will not fall from the pouch when the flap is opened, elastic members may assist in retaining the tees with or without the assistance of small end pockets. An adjustment mechanism may also be used with the flap.

Abstract: The holder has one or two strips which are attached to its outer wall and which are formed into loops for receipt of tees. When the tees are so received, their heads are above the upper edge of the strips but below the upper edge of the holder. According to one embodiment of the holder, the pointed lower ends of the tees are within but do not protrude from beneath the strips. According to a second embodiment, the pointed lower ends are accommodated in a pocket and according to a third embodiment the pointed ends are above the lower edge of the holder and the holder is formed of sufficiently pliable material that it yields to the golfer's movements but is strong enough to resist penetration by the pointed ends.

Abstract: A buckle, provided with a detachable golf ball marker for allowing a wearer to easily carry such a marker while playing golf, is disclosed. In the buckle, the decoration part has a marker seat at its external surface and carries a first magnet on the seat. The golf ball marker has a second magnet with the magnetic polarity of the second magnet being opposite to that of the first magnet. The marker is thus magnetically and detachably seated on the marker seat. In another embodiment, a metal piece is externally mounted to a loop of the buckle, while the ball marker is magnetically attached on the metal piece. The buckle thus allows a golfer to easily carry the marker without forgetting it and also allows the golfer to devote himself to playing golf.

Abstract: A belt-mounted apparatus for carrying golf accessories, such as tees and ball markers, is disclosed. The apparatus consists of a belt saddle-clip, with a plurality of tee holders and ball marker holders being provided on the outside surface of the belt saddle-clip. In the above apparatus, a watch is preferably provided on the saddle-clip. In the belt saddle-clip, front and rear walls are integrated into a single structure at the top while defining a belt channel between the two walls. A plurality of embossments may be formed on the inside surface of the rear wall. The above holders and the watch are provided on the front wall of the belt saddle-clip, while the rear wall of the saddle-clip is preferably bent toward the front wall, thus forming an elastic lower flange gripping the belt when the saddle-clip is clipped on the belt. This apparatus allows a golfer to easily and effectively carry such small golf accessories in addition to a watch on his belt while golfing, thus being very convenient to the golfer.

Abstract: An improved golf glove tee holder holds tees in an orientation that is lateral relative to the major axis of the glove, i.e. through the finger tips and the cuff. This lateral orientation, along with strategic location on the back of the golf glove between the closure flap and the finger region, ensures that the golfer's wrist and knuckle joints may be fully flexed in all directions with no possibility of potential distraction, discomfort or risk of injury from the tees such as can occur with longitudinal tee orientation of conventional golf glove tee holders. The lateral orientation of the present improved tee holder is also more ergonomic: selecting and pulling out the tee is more natural and comfortable than with conventional longitudinal tee orientation. As an optional feature, a ball marker may be provided, removably attached to the closure flap of the golf glove with a snap type fastener.

Abstract: A golf accessory organizer to be attached to a golfer's pants or belt. The golf organizer defines various pockets and storage elements therein for receiving a plurality of golf-related articles, such as golf balls, tees, score pencils, divot repair tools, and the like. A hook and loop panel is provided for releaseable attachment of a golf towel, a golf glove, a club face cleaning tool, and the like in contact with the organizer. Clips may be provided for easier attachment of the organizer to a golfer's pants or belt, not requiring the belt to be removed before the organizer is attached.

Abstract: A fastening device for holding a golf implement set is described. The fastening device includes a fastening stand having a clip attached to one side thereof for attachment to a person's belt. A plurality of embedded channels is attached to the other side of the fastening stand. The embedded channels are formed by ribbed strips and are adapted to hold ball location markers, mending tools, a brush, etc. A plurality of openings are provided along a top surface of the fastening stand. The openings are sized to permit insertion of different sized golf tees into the fastening stand. In addition, the openings include resilient clip members for resiliently holding the golf tees. The fastening device firmly holds the golf implement set in place so that they do not drop when a golfer is using the fastening device while playing golf.

Abstract: A waist-secured golf ball retainer comprises at least a ball cup for loading a golf ball, wherein a snap clamp disposed at the circumference of the ball cup clamps at a player's waistband; an opening formed in bottom end of the ball cup; a plurality of equally spaced &pgr; cuts arranged in wall of the ball cup for forming a plurality of elastic snap pieces, wherein the root end of each elastic snap piece is connected with the cup wall and the top end is movable; a protruded snap-pressing arc edge is formed at the top end of each elastic snap piece for snap-pressing the golf ball; two ball cups being combinable via a continuous face to form the retainer wherein a plurality of receptacles and a storage hole are disposed in the top face while a storage groove in a lateral end of the continuous face respectively; and by the above construction, an easy loading or unloading, a stable clamping of the retainer to a player waistband, and a long lifetime for using the retainer being made possible without needing w